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    Volando Bajo in my new (to me) original owner '97 Grand Marquis GS

    So far, I have been able to register also on a couple of other Panther related sites with the same user name.

    I have owned a '97 Grand Marquis GS, Prairie Tan inside and out, 187K miles, belonged to original owners til last month. Purchased from a family of missionaries leaving the country, and given to us by a wife's friend. Thank you again, Wendy, this old man is having a blast, having been sprung from a 2000 Corolla base model.

    I intend to try to do some parts swaps/upgrades for better performance/reliability. In particular I want to J-Mod the tranny, maybe put a tranny cooler from a CV PI on it.

    The car is well maintained, though the original owners tossed the service orders and just noted what repairs and when and where.

    Has had the plastic intake replaced in about 06. Has a 2.73 open rear end, and no ABS. Hooray, I can control my own brakes, thank you very much!

    I have come to appreciate and like this car much more than I thought I would. Pleasantly surprised by both the performance and the mpg. My last FoMoCo car was a brand new 88 Thunderbird SC 302 with the AOD tranny, moonroof, titanium metalflake paint, dark blue leather interior, aluminum billet wheels, looked like Boyd Coddington alloys for all you old gearheads out there.

    Yet the GM gets better mileage, almost as fast, in spite of weighing a good bit more, and being a good bit larger (especially passenger area, trunk, and overall length). The Bird SC was a Fox body, and of course this is a Panther.

    Considering swapping in a limited slip 3.27 rear end. Supposedly mpg barely affected, and performance enhanced. Would also like to get a CV PI aluminum or even composite driveshaft, and a shaft yoke for safety. Also want to find a 21mm rear sway bar and the heavier CV PI front end sway bar, for flatter cornering.

    As parts wear out, considering getting a Summit racing or CV PI junkyard larger water pump. Ditto for alternator. Want to swap the mechanical fan out, and install the dual electric setup from later CV's. Have the wiring diagram and video for this. Sounds like a junkyard hunt followed by a warm Saturday morning project.

    Will go for PI rotors and pads when the time comes for a brake job. Might go for an SCT tune in the end.

    Just want to make it a bit more of what it already is, a true car in the Gran Turismo tradition, and a sleeper with better engineering (not that it's bad now) and a bit more power without flashing it, except if you rev your iron next to me at a light.

    I am a semi-retired IT consultant, I have a lovely and intelligent wife who is a CPA and is now in nursing school, and my son, who just left his teen years, is as good a son as any I have ever heard of. I am at peace with my Maker, and I am having a blast with the years I have left...mentally I feel thirty years younger than I am, and sometimes I feel that way physically as well...not always, but you can't have everything. I am a lucky man, and grateful for it all...

    But right now, I am especially grateful for the gift of this great performing and driving machine, as good and as much fun to drive as my former TBird, or my 61 Jaguar MkII 3.8L with wire spoke knockoff wheels, British racing green paint, leather and wood interior, a Borg-Warner-Studebaker forty years ahead of its time, etc., which is the other truly great car I owned. But the GM belongs right there in the picture with it.

    Looking forward to getting to know some of you, as well as sharing info and learning more about my new wheels, and caring for and hopping them up a bit.

    BTW, I took my name, Volando Bajo, from the Spanish, which I speak fairly well as a second language, which means Flying Low, which is what it feels like on a back road at night, in my GM, with just the soft noise of the car and the dashboard lights...like flying in my own private cockpit.

    Hope to see you around...maybe even meet some of you if either I get out your way, or you get somewhere around Philadelphia and the south Jersey area.

    #2
    Many of the members here live in or close to your area. Why not post some photos of your car and WELCOME!!! Bobby


    "Hope and dignity are two things NO ONE can take away from you - you have to relinquish them on your own" Miamibob

    "NEVER trade your passion for glory"!! Sal "the Bard" (Dear Old Dad!)

    "Cars are for driving - PERIOD! I DON'T TEXT, TWEET OR TWERK!!!!"

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      #3
      P.S. I used to work for IBM in White Plains, N.Y. when dinosaurs still roamed the earth...


      "Hope and dignity are two things NO ONE can take away from you - you have to relinquish them on your own" Miamibob

      "NEVER trade your passion for glory"!! Sal "the Bard" (Dear Old Dad!)

      "Cars are for driving - PERIOD! I DON'T TEXT, TWEET OR TWERK!!!!"

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        #4
        Need to either get my son to shoot some pics with his smartphone, or find a camera freak. But will get something up when I get a chance. Mostly though, being in almost pristine condition, it looks almost exactly like a 97 Ford brochure pic.

        I worked all over the place, mostly East Coast, miamibob. Many years ago my best buddy and I used to run around Gainesville a lot, and I made it down to the Miami/Coconut Grove/Coral Gables scene a few times back in the day.

        After engineering school (CCNY) and grad school (Courant) in NYC, I worked for a while in banking and in brokerage, on the systems side. Then a short while later, I got an offer from IBM to move to Carolina to work on their newest check truncation system, in the late seventies or early eighties. They had about 5% of the market, but told me that it was going to be a real growth opportunity...never mind the lower Carolina wages.

        Given that check truncation did gain user acceptance for another quarter of a century, I guess I made the right call, though I would have liked to work for IBM. Almost did again a second time, when I was doing a lot of AIX support. After several rounds of interviews, they decided not to bring another consultant onboard. Maybe the usual "staff it first, sell it second" game...not sure, but they sounded like they wanted me but couldn't get me funded.

        Did you know Fran Schwartz at IBM? Her husband, Jack, was head of the computer science program at Courant when I was there. Sounds like we hung out in neighboring caves when the dinosaurs still roamed...

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          #5
          We await your photos (have to get yourself a decent digital camera) and can always PM our stories. Fran doesn't sound familiar as I mostly knew folks at Corporate, White Plaines and Florida. Since we did a lot of our work with the Accounting Division, I knew those folks as well. I was born in NYC (Bronx) but have traveled/lived all over the world.


          "Hope and dignity are two things NO ONE can take away from you - you have to relinquish them on your own" Miamibob

          "NEVER trade your passion for glory"!! Sal "the Bard" (Dear Old Dad!)

          "Cars are for driving - PERIOD! I DON'T TEXT, TWEET OR TWERK!!!!"

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            #6
            Be thankful that you got a well maintained car from a missionary. Most missionaries I know are driving stuff that should have been crushed five years ago. Held together with bailing wire, duct tape and prayers.
            Last missionary that stayed with us had a pos toyota . I was checking fluid levels for him. The radiator cap fell apart in my hand. The car had over 200k on it and he and his wife were raising funds to build another church. They took that Toyota to 9 states in three months. They raised more funds than they needed. Prayers work !

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              #7
              I too have seen the baling wire missionary cars...but this one belonged to the missionary wife's parents, the father passed away recently and the mother is in her nineties...only real foobar is she tried to back out of the garage without opening the door...that kind of ended her driving career. The deck has an inch long crease in the center edge but shouldn't be more than a few bucks at a body shop, maybe fifty or a hundred, and the lid is held together in one place with a small c-clamp. Can't be seen from the outside, and junkyard replacement lids are on the order of several hundred dollars.

              At present, I am leaning in the direction of just a Marauder airbox and a replacement tube, with an SCT tune and the 80mm MAF to follow. Looking for a 3.27 rearend with Traction-loc, but will consider a 3.55.

              When the brakes go, I am going to replace the front rotors and calipers with CV PI spec Ford Motor Sports parts, unless I hear of an aftermarket equivalent or better. Don't car hardly at all about noise, just want them to stop on a dime. I like the fact that there is no ABS...I know how to fan the brakes, and there are times I want to be able to lock up the wheels, for maneuvering purposes.

              May beef up the sway bars, not sure yet if this one came with them as an option on the LS, or not. Eventually I will spring for the 20 bucks for the build sheet, or the forty or fifty for the entire detailed assembly spec sheet, since there is no door sticker.

              Wish I could find a someone who would pull me the same data for free, but oh, well...

              Can't think of anything else I'd want to do that would make much difference, that wouldn't cost an arm and leg, like a blower, or put undue strain on the bottom end, again like a blower, turbo or nitrous. So I'll probably stop there, except to try wiring in the newer dual electric fan setup, and replacing the alternator and water pump with heavier duty PI ones when and if they die. Oh, and an auto tran cooler, and before I forget, planning to J-Mod it, though I will probably by the prefabbed plate, so my mechanic can do it without having to worry about accurate hole drilling.

              I'm hoping that much will get me sub 8 zero to sixties, and maybe quarters in the low fourteens at worst. But I'll just have to wait and see, unless I can find some timing slips from a similarly set up Panther.

              But you are certainly right about prayer working...got sideswiped in my old Toyota Corolla 2000 roller skate...broke a tie rod...I was literally praying our family wouldn't have to go back to one car, being semi-retired and my wife in school and working part time...that same week her friend bought the car off the missionaries, and gave it to us. She's a lawyer, drives a newer Audi or Acura or something like that. I had been longing for something like my long gone 88 302 AOD TBird SC...the GM surprised me as to how much fun it is to drive, and how much potential it has to be a decent sleeper. Still can't believe it arrived the same week the Corolla got wiped out. May be able to sell it, but now I won't be stuck driving it.

              The GM is a great car, far better than I had realized until I as driving one. Long may it live...I think I may even like it better than the Thunderbird, as an all around daily driver.

              BTW, if I find a wrecked Marauder with a solid engine and can get it the whole thing cheap, I may change plans and just drop the Marauder engine in my car. Otherwise, the mods I have outlined, for a total cost of probably a couple grand, will suit me just fine.

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                #8
                Welcome!

                Like miamibob mentioned there are quite a few members near your area. Also the biggest meet this forum has each year is in PA, I think it's usually 1st or 2nd weekend in August. Maybe one of these years I will be able to make the trip from north of Detroit and make my first appearance.
                Vic

                ~ 1989 MGM LS Colony Park - Large Marge
                ~ 1998 MGM LS - new DD
                ~ 1991 MGM LS "The Scab"
                ~ 1991 MGM GS "The Ice Car"

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                  #9
                  03 and up cars, including marauder were the last significant update by ford. the front suspension, steering and crossmember were changed. Not sure if it is a direct bolt up or requires frame mods.

                  Incidentally, 98-02 front brakes are an improvement over the prior generation which used the same calipers and same size rotors since 1984? It is a semi big job if you do the control arm bushings while you are in there. Best if you need to do a front end refresh, might as well refresh with better parts. Many have done this mod to cars of all ages. I believe you require only new hubs, rotors and calipers possibly sae to metric fitting adapters. I hope I will be corrected if i am wrong on a point or two. You may need lower ball joints but I don't think so????

                  imho the best mods are brakes, sway bars and posi if you want snow traction. At least you can easily get the 31 spline posi carrier as those with slightly older cars need the discontinued 28 spline.
                  03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
                  02 SL500 Silver Arrow
                  08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>06 Mustang Bullet Rims 235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
                  12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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                    #10
                    I'll be watching out for the August meet...will try to get to it.

                    Not sure if I want to take on the cost/effort of the newer front disks, as I don't expect to be in mountainous situations that would put a lot of repetitive strain on the brakes...and it just about stops on a dime now. Seems the tires are the limiting factor, not the brakes.

                    Need to remember when shopping for a rear end to get the 31 spline axles for improved strength, as well as the ratio and traction-loc. Then I'll have what I want on the rear end, once I beef up the sway bar.

                    Bajarider, hope we get a chance to have our paths cross in the future, ditto re: my best friend down in Pescadero now and in Marin county the other half of the year. His friend who was in the wreck is being Medevac'ed to SoCal because of complications. We have our fingers crossed.

                    Been checking out SCT tunes, and may go for the full MZT upgrade...if I can just convince my wife the mpg savings will offset the cost.

                    Then I can always also run a 93 Octane tune for fun and games, weekends at the beach, and for the meet, etc...

                    Anyone have an idea what a 97 GM will do with an MZT setup, under various tunes, and with various rear ends? I cannot find anything like that for comparison purposes, anywhere on the web.

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                      #11
                      When your rotors warp remember the brake upgrade. If I was going to spring for calipers, which will not really enhance your braking except in hot stop conditions, that would be the time to do the upgrade as if you decide to do the upgrade later your new calipers will be trash. The bigger brakes will be an improvement over the metal piston caliper upgrade.

                      Also good tires are always a really nice improvement. I should have mentioned them along with good shocks.

                      May want to consider a tranny cooler.

                      You should already have 31 spline axles. i pointed that out as you need a 31 spline/matching posi carrier.

                      Improve the handling, and stopping before any speed enhancements.
                      Last edited by jaywish; 02-01-2015, 04:29 AM.
                      03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
                      02 SL500 Silver Arrow
                      08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>06 Mustang Bullet Rims 235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
                      12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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                        #12
                        Welcome to the forum.
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                        My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

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                        My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

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                        But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

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                        my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                          #13
                          Thkans jaywish.

                          Will be looking for a used tranny cooler as a second round option. I don't do a lot of sustained heavy driving in hot conditions. At most, steady highway driving to the shore. Will try to add that at the same time I do a J-Mod.

                          How can I determine if I have the 31 spline axles. I have a 97 GS with a 2.73 open rear end. And does the spline number refer only to the end of the axle that goes into the diff housing, or are there splines on the hub end as well? And if so, can I expect to get the hubs as part of a complete rear end out of a wrecked junker? Someone suggested I think it was an early 2000's TC as having the 3.27 trac-lock rear, which will be my first search for a rear end.

                          As to the front rotors, can I install the larger rotors while retaining the stock hubs and fifteen inch wheels, or would I have to change the hubs?

                          If it is easy, I will do it at brake change time. Otherwise, I don't do any driving calling for heavy sustained braking, and the calipers I have can take the cars to the limit of a decent set of tires, given the non-ABS setup, so I can't see what I'd gain with larger rotors other than better cooling if I were running mountain passes in hot weather all day. And if I do end up in the Smokies, I will just avoid bashing into repeated downhill braking situations.

                          So for the snow, I think I will be OK with the higher ratio and the trac-lock.

                          I am also planning to do some routine stuff right off the bat: install a new EGR, clean the MAF, get a K&N OEM air filter, replace the serpentine, and check the ATF fluid, with a second opinion from my mechanic, who has proven himself both knowleldgeable and trustworthy. If it's not looking bad, it will wait til I can get to the J-Mod and the possible AT cooler.

                          Then, and only then, I will be ready to try for the MZT package, probably going for an 87 economy tune, and a 92 bat out of hell tune. Any suggestions for a good third tune option with the SCT package, which gives you three? And of course, no speed limiter in any of the tunes. I will be adding a driveshaft yoke, and will determine my safe max speed from some engineering calcs I have seen. When and if I can, I will add an aluminum or composite drive shaft.

                          Anyone know if that is a straight swap, or if not, what else is needed to swap the drive shaft.

                          Anyone have any idea what kind of zero to sixty and quarter mile times my car can turn stock, and with the MZT tuning plus a 3.23 (or possible 3.55)? I would like to know before I decide if I want to swap for a 3.27 or a 3.55 rear.

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                            #14
                            big brakes require 16" rims. You need to change the hubs. Generally the selection of rubber in 16" is better than the selection in 15"

                            Your car came with 31 spline. The splines fit into the carrier.

                            If you change the whole rear end housing it won't matter what you have now. I am not sure what years interchange easily. Most TC's seem to have been 3.27 but probably open. Though you can probably find a posi setup. Finding a lower mile TC in the yards might be difficult. Probably a good idea to open it up to check wear on all the components.
                            03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
                            02 SL500 Silver Arrow
                            08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>06 Mustang Bullet Rims 235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
                            12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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                              #15
                              Welcome! Looking forward to viewing pics of your GM, whenever you get some.
                              '79 Continental Town Car
                              '90 Crown Victoria LTD
                              '94 Crown Victoria

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