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    First of three thread bumps for the night:

    Swapped the wagon tail light and license plate light bulbs out for Philips Ultinon LED lamps (1157 in Red for the tails, 194 in white for the license plate).

    I have historically not had good luck with LED retrofit solutions. They almost always suffer one or more of the following design inadequacies:

    • Focusing too much of their light away from the socket direction, only illuminating a small hot spot on the lens and not filling the whole lens
    • Brake/full brightness not bright enough (often dimmer than incandescent bulb)
    • Difference between low and high brightness not sufficient (typically seen in bulbs which use resistors to reduce brightness rather than using different quantities of LEDs for each lighting mode)


    I am pleased to say the Ultinon product seems not to have this issue, again in 1157 red form. Although not shown in the video, the white 194s are super effective as well. For a car with two license plate lights such as this, it's totally overkill.

    My motivations for going LED are generally not appearance related. I go LED where practical/possible to reduce current draw and temperatures inside the lamp housings. I was already buying LEDs for the Ranger Trailer, so decided to grab a few more to try in this, and it worked out well. I bought them from RockAuto, where they are catalogued under the vehicle along with incandescent bulbs too.


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    Your bullet points are pretty much exactly why I don't do or like LED's. But the thumbnail image of your wagon looks great. Like you said, they've got great dispersion and look normal. I might put them in my truck because of current draw stuff. Seems I'm towing a lot lately and I am worried about that.
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    Looks good & NO hyperflash!

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    Same issues with LED tails, which is why I never converted any of mine. The other issue is a dumb one, but it usually requires changing the old bi-metal flasher to something else and I like the sound. Specific to my two overly complicated Lincolns, it makes the tail and brake light outage stuff not work too.

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    Somehow, the bi-metal flasher in this car is perfectly satisfied by just the one incandescent 1157 up front. The Ranger is the same way. I, too, like the soft click-ping.

    Tonight, made some progress on something I've waited way too long to move on.
    I stripped the interior of this car in 2017, and also picked up the good condition replacement door cards then.
    This is the first time since then that any of the doors have had a door card reinstalled.

    On the left rear door, replaced window channel and dew wipe. Added plastic moisture barrier from an 88 (original for 85 was paper). Oil sprayed bottom inside of door. Put door card on with new retainers.
    Window action is now smooth and door doesn't rattle as it did before.

    One door down, three more to go!

    Side note, I found the rivets to be an acceptable means of attaching the dew wipe because they don't stick out significantly. I don't know how much real clearance actually exists. If I could get my hands on shorter rivets as further insurance I'd probably like to do that. I excluded those bastard clip things and doing so doesn't seem to have caused any issues but I do see how it could and still might (re: aluminum trim lifting off door maybe).























    It appears there was a change between 85 and whatever year I got the armrests from. I don't recall what car I got them from, but they're E8 parts. The armrest upper middle screw hole is positioned differently between the door shell and the armrest, and there is no hole available on the door to pop a retainer thing into. Not the end of the world, I'm sure.

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    Is there metal on the door to potentially make your own hole to pop the retainer into?

    Those rivets look super shallow. I don't think you will have any issues as the small nuts and bolts I used appear to stick out further than your set up.

    Those window channels were extra crusty. Many pieces were liberated!
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    the pop rivets used on my Mark VII were too long and it was fetching up on the door itself. Short enough ones should be OK and ought to be a lot less annoying than using the staples. I've done enough of those with staples, bending with pliers and crimping them with hammer and punch to know how much of a pain in the ass it is.

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    No, there is an air gap at the spot required for that retainer. Also, it is a retainer that snaps directly into the door metal, rather than on a riveted bracket, so there's really not much I can do about it.

    The key to the rivets seems to have been having the head face the door (away from the glass), so the long side is towards the glass, but by using such a short rivet the long side was short enough to not matter. We will see if over time it becomes an issue, but I'm sure the new material has many years before it turns as useless as the old stuff.

    I continued with the other 3 doors today. Same as for the first one: window channels, dew wipes, cleaned out the crud, oil sprayed, plastic barrier, door card. + replaced front lock actuators which means minus the tailgate, the car has working power locks now. The tailgate is unable to lock even by the key, so that's a challenge for the future I guess. The tailgate is pretty much toast in every respect and probably needs to just be completely replaced.

    The driver door is missing a normally-riveted bracket on which one or maybe two screw retainers go. Itching for some junkyard time when the border reopens, but that is contingent upon the US (pardon me) figuring its shit out about the pandemic.




































    Interesting thing came up. As with the screw retainer discrepancy, the map pocket version of the door cards requires a screw hole to exist...somewhere that is an air gap on an 85 door. I used some wide fender washers to attach it directly to the door card. Maybe not as durable but it'll do the job.






    At the conclusion of today's repair activities, I located Ants the Anteater, a Beanie Baby which came with the car when I got it, at that time sealed in new Happy Meal toy baggie.
    I have re-installed Ants the Anteater in the car.


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    I have the same thing going on with my door cards with those front door pockets, except I've never tried to attach them properly save for the front screws. Apparently the '88-'89 (maybe '90-'91 had them too, but those had the speaker stanchions instead) had the provision for them, but the early ones certainly don't.

    It's very nice seeing the progress you've made on this car considering what you started with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodachrome Wolf View Post
    I have the same thing going on with my door cards with those front door pockets, except I've never tried to attach them properly save for the front screws. Apparently the '88-'89 (maybe '90-'91 had them too, but those had the speaker stanchions instead) had the provision for them, but the early ones certainly don't.

    It's very nice seeing the progress you've made on this car considering what you started with.
    I was sort of loosely remembering some sort of clip-in plastic thing that spans the gap in the door metal to receive the screw. But, had I found that when taking the junkyard door cards, I would have taken the plastic bit...so I'm actually remembering something that was never there and just solving the problem in my head, I guess.

    I appreciate that. Every once in a while I skim back through early photos of it and considering I do not have a hoist, and I have a regular full time job at which I work plenty of overtime, I have achieved great things with this car. The fact it's roadworthy and I'm sort of dailying it is the product of a huge investment of effort and it seems to me very few people would have taken it on.

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    very true. A labor of love.
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    Some people think we are nuts to play with these cars.

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    Do you question that? I believe it is specifically referenced as a symptom in the AMA mental health guidelines.
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    Yeah dude, really looking good given how it started out as.

    I may or may not have bought a 1979 G10. Need to find time to make a Darkside thread for it..
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    It has come to my attention that the anteater is actually named Antsy, because it is the miniature Happy Meal version.
    It was in circulation in 1998. I sort of feel bad for opening the package now, but the packaging was also kind of nasty (as was the whole car interior).



    The window channels need some tinkering still, in a couple spots they tend to get mangled a bit by the glass. Also the glass in the passenger rear door seems to come up at a weird angle (tilting inboard) which I am unsure how to correct. Probably going to have to bend some things as I don't recall there being any adjustable guides for the rear windows.


    Also, today is the one-year anniversary of this!
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    The day we've all been waiting for:

    I was able to reuse the valve cover gasket. It had completely slipped inside the cover between two bolts, but thankfully was not damaged when it got tightened down. Cleaned it all up, put it back together and used a dental pick to pull the gasket out more when I saw it was wanting to do the same thing again.

    Filled it with mostly oil and a little ATF (re: the supposed ability of ATF to help clean up sludge). Engine fired happily and runs at least acceptably. Filled the trans until it was happy, flushed the steering gear. The reman pump is loud, I'm hoping as the air works out of it that will quiet down more. I was able to overcome the issues using a brass TV bushing on CFI/carb (do not use it unmodified, they have a tendency to pop off where the nylon one does not) by filing off some material to thin the bushing down a bit. This allows the clip to more fully engage with the ball stud.

    Tossed some wheels on, dropped it onto the floor, and backed it out of the garage. Took a test drive and tinkered with the TV (I had it way too high, could barely get it into third at normal road speeds), found I have all 4 gears both while upshifting and downshifting, with responsive gear engagement. I don't think there's any slipping. Kickdown is working correctly.



    I'm going to fix those stupid inboard turn signal/park lamp sockets...it irritates me that they aren't lighting up as parking lamps.

    Oh, and a note I keep meaning to leave: do NOT buy the Philips Ultinon amber LEDs. They do not perform even remotely similar to the reds, they are garbage unfit for any purpose. Not exaggerating.

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    Strange that the reds perform so well, but the ambers do not.

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    I may or may not have bought a 1979 G10. Need to find time to make a Darkside thread for it..
    I may or may not be responsible for the problems that occurred during transport. Looking forward to a potential Darkside thread.
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    I didn't see the reply about the G10 at first, I think I was already typing my last reply at that point. Definitely want to check that out.

    Accomplished a few things today. It was a holiday...called the Civic Holiday, which essentially is just a day off for the sake of days off, which is OK with me...and I took the opportunity with a somewhat rain-less day to finally mow my lawn. And then it poured, so my timing was good on that.

    On the wagon:
    Replaced the ashtray assembly with one I pulled back in 2017 or so. The spring steel piece that provides the closing action and holds it shut is broken on the one that came in the car. Also, the cigarette lighter, while functional, was wired...uh...poorly. Seems at some point the ashtray must not have been present and wires cut, then at some point it was put back. Mated up the pigtail that I harvested with the new one, and all is nice and good now.





    Swapped the radio for one from an '85 Continental. The one I took out, not sure what it came from (provided by Derek some time ago), has "Electronic" in cursive script on it. The one I put in says "Premium Sound" in the same wonky font as "automatic climate control". This font was new for '85. Bonus, the pots aren't scratchy on this one. Side note Gadget, that radio was a recent pull from a local car being parted out. I grabbed you some items to add to that monstrous box I've got for you. Including front corner lamps. Will discuss by PM when I can lay everything out for pics. Also I'll say it publicly: if my delays have caused you to no longer want any of the items, or you sourced them elsewhere, that is my fault and I'm sorry. I probably have a little bit of ADHD and it makes it very difficult for me to remember even very significant tasks when they aren't literally directly in front of me.











    Investigated why the inboard parking lamps were not illuminating as parking lamps. Both of the bulbs are bad. Somehow, and defying all logic. They were both probably junkyard-sourced bulbs which I put in, and even now both filaments of each bulb look intact, but the low brightness filament does not light for either of them. Weird. Easy fix. But, now I need to get 194s in amber because the outboard ones look washed out by comparison.



    The LED license plate lights are ludicrously bright. I may put incandescent ones back in. This is nuts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VicCrownVic View Post
    ...I may or may not be responsible for the problems that occurred during transport. Looking forward to a potential Darkside thread.
    Without your help, that thing most certainly wouldn't have made it back without damage. What was supposed to be a simple "head out & retrieve" turned into a big adventure..

    Quote Originally Posted by kishy View Post
    I didn't see the reply about the G10 at first, I think I was already typing my last reply at that point. Definitely want to check that out...

    ...The LED license plate lights are ludicrously bright. I may put incandescent ones back in. This is nuts.
    This is the motivation I need to get around to a thread lol. We've just got so many photos and Ash said she was going to dump them on google or something. Then I'm going to have a wall of text to write, potentially several. Annnd updates keep happening. Reading threads like these and seeing the progress definitely had an impact on me, compelled me to buy something which didn't run and make it work again if possible.

    Oh yeah, those license plate lights are BRIGHT. Like fog light bright.
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    The LED license plate lights are ludicrously bright. I may put incandescent ones back in. This is nuts.
    Yanno, if photo radar comes to fruition around these parts, a super bright led plate light might just be advantageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM_Guy View Post
    Yanno, if photo radar comes to fruition around these parts, a super bright led plate light might just be advantageous.

    These are popping up all around where I live. Mainly near schools.
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