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    Quote Originally Posted by kishy View Post
    Not worried about the pump.
    Pump died while draining tank to drop it. Electric stuff checks out, pump is getting voltage, but pump is not pumping.
    I was studying the effects of a restriction on the line and it died as a result. Important lesson: restricted flow kills pumps. Probably a good argument in favour of regular filter changes.
    Other interesting observation: the pump sounds loudest pumping with no load (open line draining into gas can). The pump sounds quietest (which we would assume was healthiest) in the seconds before failure.
    Obviously YMMV but that may be worth filing in the mental notes somewhere.

    Part store should have my new Delphi pump tomorrow morning. The RockAuto wait is unacceptable in this case as the car is needed next weekend and I don't want to gamble on having the energy to finish the repair during the work week.

    There is no more convenient time for a fuel pump to fail, really. This is a setback but not an inconvenience.
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    I don't mean to laugh but the timing of those statements is funny. About the same tends to happen to me, as soon as I say something is working well it immediately proves me wrong.

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    The irony... painful irony.

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    So, uhhhh...I jumped the gun on deciding that pump was bad. Let's rewind a bit.

    I wanted to correct the fuel leak, but the tank was full.
    I had disconnected the fuel line in the rear wheel well, and was jumping the fuel pump relay to drain the tank through that line into gas cans.
    I had made it to approximately 45L drained and expected that I had a fair bit more to go still, which would necessitate finding another gas can, as I was on my second 25L can at that point.
    It was at this point that I decided to check how the pump noise changed by squeezing the rubber line I was using to drain the tank.
    After a period of several seconds holding the line very close to fully closed, the pump went silent and the fuel flow stopped.
    I disconnected my jumper wire, tried again, checked power supply at the relay, all seemed good. No noise from the back of the car, pump must have died.



    I called 3 different part stores, one ended up having Bosch #69133 in stock, for a lot of money. I wanted the car fixed today. I went and bought it.
    Before leaving the store, I opened the box and found the bag had been cut open and all hardware except the pump itself was missing (the fuel line L, hose clamps, wire terminal hardware etc).
    Counter guy looked and found he could order the Delphi pump for tomorrow morning, and it would be substantially cheaper, so we exchanged the Bosch for that and in doing so I got a refund of 80ish dollars.

    I get back home, make the above reply.
    Find that I have a message in a Telegram group chat I had mentioned this problem in, offering me a high flow Walbro with low usage for free...said sure, will gladly take that. Either way, would still need two pumps, since the 86 can no longer take the identical new pump I had bought (same as in wagon), as it isn't trustworthy. While friend was on his way, I went under the car and continued tank removal.

    While doing that, I decided to check voltage at the connector above the tank. I found good battery voltage there. Further confirmation of bad pump.
    I then, for whatever reason, put power directly on the connector above the tank from my booster pack, and noticed that the pump was making a subtle humming...not normal fuel pump noise, just a faint little hint of a noise.
    I assumed from this that what had happened was the pump rotor had come separated from the motor shaft, so the motor still worked, but the pump couldn't pump. Oh well, still a bad pump.

    Tank out, friend arrives. Pull the fuel pump hanger out. Successfully diagnose the leak - around the return line, on the mounting plate, there is a gap in the solder. Re-soldered that.
    (note the dry area, where the fuel leak has washed away the oil coating)







    Found the Walbro cannot be used, the way its pickup sock mounts makes it impossible to work with the rubber boot thing on this pump hanger.
    Just because why not, I put power on the bad pump, and it spit gas at me...not something a pump with no functioning rotor would do.
    Hooked it to a line with some fuel and found it works just as well as it always did, and its normal noise comes back as soon as there's fuel being picked up.

    Turns out I had run the tank low enough that it was picking up air. The gauge didn't indicate it was empty, but this must have been because of the angle of things with the rear end in the air.

    The pump was and is fine. The leak has been fixed. The car is back together. Lessons have been learned. My faith in the other identical pump has been restored. Hopefully the part store will refund the pump on-order without a restocking fee. If there will be a restocking fee (as it was special order), I'll just keep it. It wasn't horribly above RockAuto pricing for the same pump.

    tl;dr hi, I am idiot.

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    You aren’t an idiot. An idiot would have trashed the good pump. You repeatedly tested your theory until it failed. That’s good science.

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    The ups and downs of working on cars. I can only imagine what mechanics who do this daily go through.



    You like those ramps...ramps in general over jacking up the car and placing it on stands. Seems handy and quick to set up, tear down after the job is done.
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    True, not an idiot...thank you lol.
    I will find out shortly if I'm stuck with the new pump or not.

    Yes, the plastic ramps are my preferred way to raise a car. I have two floor jacks and many stands but really try to use the ramps whenever possible. I feel like the (rare but very possible) risk of having a car fall on me is pretty much none using the ramps, and (while still rare) significantly higher when using jack stands. Zero risk of the ramps tipping over, and the weight is being distributed across a much wider contact area. The car is as stable as when it's sitting on the ground.

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    I was not stuck with the pump, nor stuck with a restocking fee, as it hadn't arrived yet...so it's very good I didn't actually need it or I'd have been livid and sad all at the same time. Full refund and all is right in the world again.

    The car has continued to have a pretty wicked vibration primarily from the front right corner at highway speed. It is vehicle speed related, not engine speed. It existed on the old tires and wheels, and continued to exist on the new ones, which made me wonder exactly what it could have been. But finally I took it back to the tire place and had them re-balance them, and he found the front right was off by 0.75...took it on the highway and it's much smoother now. There is still some vibration that kind of runs through the whole car at higher speeds but it's nothing like it was.

    Ordered a set of Gas-A-Justs for this. I really like how the 83 behaves on them and it has become apparent the wagon is going to be a car I drive a lot (but will be parking it for winter), so it's worth throwing nice stuff at it.

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    You might want to check the wheel bearings for any play.
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    Wagons are fun to drive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaywish View Post
    You might want to check the wheel bearings for any play.
    It has 95-97 front end stuff - I don't think that is a likely failure this early in the life of the hub-bearing. Still maybe a good idea to check overall wheel play in all directions from any potential cause, of course.

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    Wagons are fun to drive...
    It's pretty fantastic. It gets lots of attention, too.


    Bumped the idle. Cold weather was making 2-footing necessary until it warmed up. Some day, I'll fix the cold idle bits. Still a bit ticked off about those screws breaking off.

    Last night, added a 4-flat trailer connector. Pulled all the driver side rear quarter plastics out and tapped in (solder, not crimp splices) in the driver rear corner. Would prefer everything to be relayed, but I didn't feel like pulling a new wire back from the battery. There's a looooot of car to cover in between. Not sure how the factory tow wiring works, this car doesn't have it. EVTM is MIA. I'm suspecting there's a whole sub-harness that probably starts somewhere near the fuse panel on cars so-equipped.

    Oil sprayed the inside of the quarter panel...I was there anyway and it's kind of irritating to access so it made sense.







    Test fitted the Ranger Trailer using a typical drawbar, flipped to rise instead of drop. Fits close...pretty much ideal really. The ball is as close as mechanically possible to the hitch mounting points.




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    The MegaMerc had a new never used wiring kit in the well.

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    Factory tow wiring has 3 relays in the trunk that are wired into the rear lights. Two for turn, one for parking. Power feeds from the starter relay through those relays to the trailer connector. Makes it so the trailer doesn't affect the blink rate and it puts basically no extra load on the stock light circuits. There is also usually wiring to the front kick panel area for a brake controller, and a charge wire in the trailer harness. Don't recall if that is switched or not. Its a no bullshit trailer wiring system.

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    If you find you have issues I did mine this way:

    http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post828036

    Still need to source power..which i understand is not fun running all the way to the back.

    I have yet to tow anything...but the system works as it should after testing it out with a 4 blade tester.
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    One of those trailer power module things (probably just full of relays) is an attractive option for being neat, integrated, and easy. I may go that route if a very cheap one comes my way. I want to do some rear power distribution anyway, maybe a couple 12V sockets and USB chargers in the driver side storage cubby, so I'll just pull something like a 10ga wire to the back and distribute as appropriate. When I get to it.

    The Gas-a-Justs arrived today, and have been installed. 5500km on the blue Monroes. They are super garbage, but not any worse than they were when they were new...it's just how they are. They came out effortlessly thanks to my liberal use of anti-seize. All 4 shocks replaced in a little over an hour. Not bad. Car handles way better as expected.










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    "Fix the cigarette lighter."

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    I don't actually think the diff cover is leaking. I didn't clean it when it was off, and it looks about the same as I remember.
    The engine, on the other hand...oh boy is that leaking. The whole driver side of the pan is soaked. It may be the pan gasket, I don't think the issue is further up (rear of intake or valve cover).

    The amazing thing is that this one doesn't seem to have a pinion seal leak.
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    Oh, your confidence!

    Most everything seal related I do I clean stuff to help me check for leaks later, because of course I'm paranoid there will be some.
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    The pinion seal on the Conti dumped a puddle of oil on the garage floor in about 3 days. Probably the first time the oil level had been correct in a long time and it was not happy about it. Most of them just weep enough to make a mess on the diff without actually drooling on the ground.

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    That was the diff in Ashley's C1500. ONce I filled it to the proper level, it began leaking like mad. I don't tolerate leaks from a diff at all.
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