My 1982 Lincoln Mark VI Bill Blass Designer Series(Larisa)

[MattsLincoln]

One at a time.

[sly]

dual quads and a stroker kit!

[zoomie]

from what ive seen your having it trailered to your storage unit, then your going to swap over to sefi from there and then do a expo swap??????? how does that make any sense. dude, seriously take your time and store it, in the meantime do the engine build, then swap it over. but hey its your money and time.

[sly]

the expo swap is for the TC.

[MattsLincoln]

the expo swap is for the TC.

Correct jason mark is getting converted to sefi first then once
the mark is driveable the town car goes into storage while i buy
an explorer motor to build up for it and get all done in hopefully by winter this year. Once that is done the mark gets its explorer motor put in during the winter.

[85crownHPP]

the Mark is flat tappet... I wouldn't even screw with it. Just swap the whole thing with an SEFI roller... like one of the previous owners did with my Mark. total greatness.

Like sly said, its a total waste of time and parts to do a SEFI conversion on that shitty ass 302. This is what happens when you get too excited...you make dumb decisions. And this is how alot of shit boxes end up on the road because, people cant wait to drive it and then cut corners. It's much easier doing a complete motor swap. It will also make your car that much more reliable.

I told you to do your homework on this swap, that i wasn't kidding about. one thing i see happening with all this , is that you'll need to change something . the distributor gear.......and you can use a roller cam if you want if your using link-bar roller lifters. you'll need diff push rods, but its doable. do yourself a favor, just get a efi motor and get that setup instead of having two vehicles down.

I'm guessing because the three of you don't speak matt-eeze you missed where he already addressed this one and only issue regarding the flat tappedness

Cant stand carbs I rather go SEFI and john says this should work well snce he has a cfi eec iv distributor.
We jst need to swap intakes with a sefi panther, sefi valve covers and a eec iv sefi harnesses.

So yes zoomie he has done his homework... I have faith in him, especially if he has John's help!
If he wants to try to make the old motor run SEFI, go for it. The only thing that could be lost is time, and not everyone equates time and effort with a direct ratio.
He may just get a good running car out of it to drive while he saves up more money! Thats worth it if you ask me.

Matt, I think you are merging past, present, and future plans for both vehicles in some of your posts, and lack of good sentence structure makes it hard to keep them apart.
That, and letting your thoughts get out of your fingers before going through the 'does this make sense' filter (like the idea of replacing D9 heads with E6's) make it too easy for folks to give you crap. Once you get parts and plans together, make a new dedicated thread and let the goodness flow.

[MattsLincoln]

I'm guessing because the three of you don't speak matt-eeze you missed where he already addressed this one and only issue regarding the flat tappedness



So yes zoomie he has done his homework... I have faith in him, especially if he has John's help!
If he wants to try to make the old motor run SEFI, go for it. The only thing that could be lost is time, and not everyone equates time and effort with a direct ratio.
He may just get a good running car out of it to drive while he saves up more money! Thats worth it if you ask me.

Matt, I think you are merging past, present, and future plans for both vehicles in some of your posts, and lack of good sentence structure makes it hard to keep them apart.
That, and letting your thoughts get out of your fingers before going through the 'does this make sense' filter (like the idea of replacing D9 heads with E6's) make it too easy for folks to give you crap. Once you get parts and plans together, make a new dedicated thread and let the goodness flow.

Thanks pete the plan is thought out well going to just convert it to sefi. And then save money for the explorer
Swaps. Sefi should haven no problem running using a flat tappet cam as long as the cfi eec iv dizzy is used.

[mrltd]

Cfii eec iv dizzy has the nylon gear since the cfi eec iv also used. Flat tappet cam. I will just pick
Up the intakes and do the mark first and once the mark is complete then i will do the town car
This way i have a driveable vehicle.

No car uses a nylon distributor gear. They use plastic timing gears on the camshaft. The difference on the roller motors are the type of metal gear on the distributor, due to the different type of metal used to make the camshafts. The SEFI might work, but it will never be great, because it's not tuned for the flat tappet cam. The cam events are programmed into the computer and make a significant difference in the fuel economy and power.

[MattsLincoln]

As long as runs better than cfi. And I meant plastic gear not nylon.

[mrltd]

As long as runs better than cfi. And I meant plastic gear not nylon.

Doesn't matter, nylon is plastic, and the distributor gear is not nylon or any type of plastic. The timing gear on the camshaft side is plastic. It will not run any better than a properly running CFI. It's a huge waste of time on a stock motor. Should really just do the complete SEFI HO swap.

[MattsLincoln]

Im going to see for myself. Reading the sefi swap from eec iv it did not mention that camshaft was swapped over at least
From petemangs thread if he didnt swap the cam to a roller cam when he just swapped it to sefi his 85 would have ran the
Flat tappet cam. Not sure if he swapped the cam.

Edit: reading more info online 85 was the first year for roller cam 84 used the flat tappet
Cam same cam as 1982. Did fatnasty switch the cam in his 84 gm when he did sefi or did
He keep the flat tappet when he did the conversion ?

[tjc78]

Matt I think what you are getting confused on is that flat tappet 302s use an iron distributor gear and roller 302s use steel. You can't interchange them or they will wear out quickly.

MRLTD is 100% correct in that the older motors had plastic/nylon tipped timing gears.

[MattsLincoln]

Matt I think what you are getting confused on is that flat tappet 302s use an iron distributor gear and roller 302s use steel. You can't interchange them or they will wear out quickly.

MRLTD is 100% correct in that the older motors had plastic/nylon tipped timing gears.

yes i must have gotten confused. Im just saying the sefi conversion should work fine with a flat tappet cam since (correct me if im wrong) when fatnasty did the sefi conversion(First GM.net cfi to sefi swap thread) on his 84 grand marquis he did not say anything about swapping the cam when he converted it and if he didnt it ran fine being sefi and using a flat tappet cam.


also found this tidbit info on lincolns online dont know if its true if it isnt please inform me.

Okay, here's the deal. Steel drive gears are for roller-cam motors. Iron drive gears are for non-roller motors.

Any CFI distributor will work because Ford never had a CFI motor with a roller cam. Even the HO CFI motors in Mustang's had flat tappet cams.

Now, you can use any dizzy from a CFI motor, or any dizzy from a 5.0L truck motor through (I think) 1993 or 1994. Truck motors all had flat tappet cams through the early 90's even though they were EFI. Same goes for 5.0L Town Cars, Crown Vics, some T-Bird's, etc.

If it had a flat tappet cam, the distributor will work for you

yes im aware the older timing gears had plastic gears. the cfi even eec iv cfi cars used a iron gear for the camshaft since it was a flat tappet cam. Roller cams used a steel gear. the 84 dizzy im using has the iron gear which will work with my 82's flat tappet cam for the conversion.

[MattsLincoln]

if what is true from what i read online from lincolnsonline then petemangs swap on his 85 also had a flat tappet cam since cfi cars did not use a roller cam.

[86VickyLX]

We'll do the CFI-SEFI swap on the old motor. This way, we can sort out the wiring first. Work out all the bugs there. And then when everything has been figured out, and determined that the car is reliable, then you can use it for a daily driver. Like I said before it's gonna take some time to get it road worthy even after the SEFI swap. Hell the tires by themselves are enough to keep that thing away from the road any time soon. The exhaust will also need to be addressed. As well as the rear brake bs.

I think it's a better idea to work out the wiring and such with the old engine, so when it comes time to install the other engine, it will go together more smoothly. He wants reliable, and CFI, especially with the EEC-III CFI is impossible to achieve, especially from a car that's been sitting in the yard with a hacked up wiring harness and such.

Zoomie, you have no room to tell people to do their homework. You of all people should be doing your homework, and saving your money to get that trans in that piece of shit Towncar that's sitting at Scott's instead of putting used plug wires on there or chopping up the AC/smog system. Because that shit won't help a clapped out lopo with an AOD that only has 1st and 2nd run better. Get that piece of shit out of there and leave Scott alone, because he has more important things to worry about than your dumb ass leaving shit behind everytime you go there, and costing him money and his time than you really deserve. I suggest you just shut the fuck up because you're almost as OR maybe even more annoying than Matt is...