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    Quote Originally Posted by Arquemann View Post
    It's stock, or atleast mine's like that too. Mine has the mph and km/h digits switched around and the inside digits are in blue for some reason.
    The blue numbers are insane hard to read when it gets even slightly darker outside. The dash lights don't help at all, I've memorized the corresponding mph and use those even in daytime.
    Also kishy's car doesn't have a gas light or trip meter, which is really interesting.
    Yeah, I've just never seen an early stock cluster illuminate so nicely with that flood lighting. I'm a big proponent of backlit gauges for that reason. But even those get nasty when a car left in the sun or without a shelter for years. I remember my '88 Townie the first time I sat in it and drove it at night. The cluster was (and still is) beautiful, the indicator needles perfectly orange and the text bright white like brand new. I was stunned, especially when compared to Ashley's '89 TC which did not have the "garage kept" power up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    Yeah, I've just never seen an early stock cluster illuminate so nicely with that flood lighting. I'm a big proponent of backlit gauges for that reason. But even those get nasty when a car left in the sun or without a shelter for years. I remember my '88 Townie the first time I sat in it and drove it at night. The cluster was (and still is) beautiful, the indicator needles perfectly orange and the text bright white like brand new. I was stunned, especially when compared to Ashley's '89 TC which did not have the "garage kept" power up.
    This kind of gauge lighting does look pretty cool yeah but, as I've mentioned and most of you've realized, it just doesn't work that well, especially trying to see the needles. Meanwhile my Volvo has the most readable backlit gauges ever, even if a couple bulbs have burned out.
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    the stock lights in mine were horribly dim. Ended up converting it to LED in warm white. Stock color, just brighter. Not sure why mine is so dim honestly, the domes are nice and the inside of the cluster is clean. 86 doesn't light the needle, but the lighting was dim to the point where I could barely read the speedo. Might be low voltage through the dimmer switch or something, don't know, don't care to put all the stock bulbs back in and screw with it.

    The Towncar cluster is black back with white numbers and an orange needle. Its easier to read than the silver face with black digits. Earlier Towncars had that, never cared for it. The clocks on the early ones only tell time in Italian too, which doesn't work for me.

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    "Tach? Whaddya need that for, dude? I've got a three inch clock! I always know what time it is, even when I'm putting in OT in the back seat! "

    The lighting on my TC is so bright I had to turn it down. I do this on all of my vehicles now though, actually improves night time visibility. I kind of chuckle a bit when I pass by cars and the driver's side window is glowing from how bright the person's instrumentation is. Equally same reaction when people change the cluster lighting to blue. That's the worst color for night time driving as it's the hardest on your eyes. Phones even have an option to reduce blue content at night for that reason.

    Yeah, maybe the dimness was a result of the voltage through that dimmer switch. I'm pretty convinced that with cars which have backlit gauges and they're dim, it's also because of UV damage to the plastic which is supposed to carry the light to the numbers and all that. Also, if the bulbs are old and all black on the inside from use then that's a problem as well.

    Clocks only tell time in Italian? Seems like a joke that went right over my head.
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    Roman numerals I am guessing.
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    The cluster is pretty wonderful. It is the basic warning light arrangement, and indeed no trip odometer. I have junkyard-picked a cluster that has the trip odometer and 6-digit odometer (which began in 84 for Canadian Panthers), and plan to eventually retrofit that. I do think I overlooked something which is probably needing to grab a piece of trim re: the reset lever, but that can be worked out later.

    The silver face clusters with this type of perimeter lighting seem to be pretty good, but the 90-91 silver face Mercury cluster is horrible because it's truly backlit. The numbers actually disappear in certain lighting conditions. I like how this cluster looks at night. The backlighting is very even.

    The junk Town Car has a newer Spectra Premium tank in very good condition: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post843251
    I have no hesitations about just swapping that directly in and running it as it is.

    I will try to salvage the (working) sender with something like Evaporust. I've also heard and seen good things about it.

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    Red is the best color for preserving night vision and still providing relatively easy vision of the items being illuminated. Yes blue makes things hard to distinguish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kishy View Post
    The silver face clusters with this type of perimeter lighting seem to be pretty good, but the 90-91 silver face Mercury cluster is horrible because it's truly backlit. The numbers actually disappear in certain lighting conditions. I like how this cluster looks at night. The backlighting is very even.
    Having owned two '91 MGMs, I can confirm that these clusters are indeed awful. Very difficult to read in certain lighting (not really dark out, but not bright daylight is the worst).
    When I bought The Scab that cluster was one of the first things to go, replaced with a '90-'91 police cluster. The Ice car was swapped a few months in with that same '90-'91 police cluster, and eventually ending up with a '98-'02 P17 cluster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    Roman numerals I am guessing.

    Yes. I prefer to tell time in Arabic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicCrownVic View Post
    Having owned two '91 MGMs, I can confirm that these clusters are indeed awful. Very difficult to read in certain lighting (not really dark out, but not bright daylight is the worst).
    When I bought The Scab that cluster was one of the first things to go, replaced with a '90-'91 police cluster. The Ice car was swapped a few months in with that same '90-'91 police cluster, and eventually ending up with a '98-'02 P17 cluster.
    Yep...'90 P72 (police) cluster went into my 91 as soon as I found one, which was super lucky, because it's still the only one I've ever seen. Canadian makes it more tricky. I also swapped the surrounding trim to delete the woodgrain, making the only dash woodgrain be the aluminum bits running the whole length of the dash in the centre.

    I suspect complaints had something to do with why the Grand Marquis picked up the black face cluster (with only subtle character adjustments) that had been in the Vic and Town Car when 92 came around. Either that or they decided it just didn't look good, because it didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    Yes. I prefer to tell time in Arabic.
    'Scuze me sir, I think you forgot what country you are a citizen of.

    You mean that you prefer to tell time in MURRICA NUMBERS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaywish View Post
    Red is the best color for preserving night vision and still providing relatively easy vision of the items being illuminated. Yes blue makes things hard to distinguish.
    Indeed it is! Anyone who doesn't think so, well, just go and get two clocks, one with a red display and the other with blue or green. Go in a room with complete darkness and allow your eyes to adjust for about a half hour. Plug the red clock in and look at it. Then plug in the other clock in and look at it. You'll be able to look at the red clock with no strain on your eyes yet will have to adjust to the other. Point proven. I love the red display of the Firebird for that reason, it's just nice contrast to what we own too as it's the only car in our fleet which doesn't illuminate in green.

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    Roman numerals I am guessing.
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    'Scuze me sir, I think you forgot what country you are a citizen of.

    You mean that you prefer to tell time in MURRICA NUMBERS
    Just speaking freely here but, I always grimace a little when people do the "murica" or whatever thing. Hurts to even write it that way. For me, its too much of a "Gonna tie back my mullet.. Here, hold my beer and watch this.." type of thing and I don't consider myself the type as I feel it's nothing to be proud of, 'ashamed' is more like it. For me, it is and always will be "America" and pronounced correctly, or the United States, as Canadians are North Americans too. I think US citizens who say " 'Murica " do so with pride but all I see is mockery and support of the aforementioned "hold my beer and watch this" lifestyle.. Idiocracy.. Yet anyone who has pride in the US is automatically a trumpet supporter.. It's not my fault I live among a bunch of intolerant, self serving, ignorant and indignant people yet still carry a torch for the U.S. that once was.. I'm just a dissenter who abides- "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Disclaimer: Wherever I can get away with it.
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    There is a local vehicle I refer to as the "Murrica Truck". Lifted rusty camo rattle can mid 80s Chevy, giant 'Murica flag in the bed, loud asspack exhaust, driven by a very small dude. I bet the door sills (if it has any still) are about chin-high on him.

    incidentally, a "merkin" is a pubic wig. I find it funny when people pronounce American as "merkin".

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    Ugh. Probably a flat earther too.
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